Let me tell you this, the last time i dared to go past the ammo limit (having 6/54 Shotgun ammo) i died with like 40 ammo (that's 4 buckshot boxes or 16 gunpowder and 8 bullet casings laid to waste) still in my reserve in a plaza raid, another time was me going with 8 boxes worth of SMG ammo to a nexus raid and i died before i could even fire a single shot, and guess what? that ammo that i died with could not be retrieved, it's gone forever and i'll need to get resources to craft that ammo agian, yes rebels can actually carry more ammo than CPs but guess what? this rarely happens for 2 reasons, first one being them estimating how long they want to fight before retreating, the other being the resource barrier, those are good enough reasons why rebels will never dare to go past the ammo limit because the resources and health are issues that rebels can't recover from easily.
I Took part in this as an OTA, only one of them had an OTA vest no one had helmets, and all of them had gas masks to counter the tear gas, the entire issue in this whole thing wasn't the ammo, it was the fact that rebels took advantage of that choke-point to the best of their ability (Like them using the M60 for this whole thing in general because that is where the M60 shines)... and again as i was telling you, the rebels only fire when they need to... as i said in the previous post.
The difference between the rebels and the combine is that the rebels have scarce resources and the combine have all the resources. it makes sense that the combine would have infinite ammo in their base of operations, if it was a holdout in the outlands that'd be a different situation because thats where the rebels reign supreme, because that's where they'd stash their ammo. we're still talking about an alien species that took over the planet in seven hours. the combine vs rebels thing is supposed to be unbalanced, but its supposed to be unbalanced in favor of the combine because they're the rulers of the whole god damned planet at this point in time
the chokepoint was only an issue because they had pretty much infinite ammo to focus on the ladder (btw it seems c8 is the only map with that horrible choke point, which is why i hate c8)
exactly. im always seeing *combine* retreating, i never see rebels have the need to retreat for ammo or anything, they just hunker down in some op choke point and turn it into an unbreakable fortress
okay that's a fair point when it comes to lore, however the combine already have grids who can potentially build ladders to climb up to such areas from a different direction, it's just that many don't utilize the ability of Grids to do that thing.
The chokepoint is the problem, not the rebels' ammo that eventually will run out or with their health that is likely to not be healed (Provided they don't have a rogue).
Once again, it is a holdout, and a holdout will always have its limited supply that can make it last as long as it can, if they are entrenched in a spot then logically you bet they'll have brought some resources with them to help their defense, there's no point in retreating in a holdout because the defense is the retreat in itself, rebels face the same problem as combine do when they are on the move, but they get to suffer from ammo issues more than the combine do because of the resource barrier that makes them forced to not make much ammo, it is literally no surprise that a holdout on a chokepoint will help the rebels in conserving as much of their ammo as possible, that's why they pick that ladder in the first place, it helps them focus their firepower on one spot without having to worry about other spots being needed to defend.
this point about grids is solid, but im pretty sure grids don't make ladders (at least not in the slums) is because its a tight space and you can't exactly make a good ladder, since you can easily fall when trying to climb it
Rebels: Exist
they tried doing it today but the rebels stopped it, eitherway, it's not only ladders, let's say you RP it right that you make something that can make the CPs able to climb up, as long as it's realistic enough it should work.
Trust me i did this once in D47 and was pretty much my first ever time playing Grid, it worked and caught the rebels off-guard.
once in D47 i was playing union i1, a grid made a checkpoint by the slums and there were two ota vest and helmet clad m14 rebels (m14 before the nerf) at the end of the road and we couldn't deal with them and we were all dying, as everyone else was taking cover behind the point i snuck around through a nearby building, and i managed to gun them both down with an mp7 (just remembered it when you mentioned catching rebels off guard)
Ok man but, are you taking into account whether they have armor, which is basically a requirement, and heavy weaponry such as a shotgun or smg, which have varying weights, or a gas mask, or a helmet, or other miscellaneous items they may have forgotten to store?
